Hello all, I am a NOOBIE at this game.
I was wondering what I can do to earn more money and stuffs in my spare time.
What do I do with my spare time on zoric?
umm.. zoric's down. but uh, yeah, there isn't really much. fastest way would be to leave all your money in the bank after you buy a house and food for it. Then just let it sit there for a few real life days and you'll have a decent increase in money.
btw, didn't really answer your question well, but what i' mtrying to say is, that it'll be easier if you were to just leave it than try to make money. You gotta spend money to make money, but then you need food and drinks which also costs money. So you won't be making too much. It's best to just stay home and log out.
btw, didn't really answer your question well, but what i' mtrying to say is, that it'll be easier if you were to just leave it than try to make money. You gotta spend money to make money, but then you need food and drinks which also costs money. So you won't be making too much. It's best to just stay home and log out.
man...if i had a nickle for every time i said:
"if you know thiers families keeping you from buying/selling/trading stuff, and you know thiers others that think the same, why can't you just team up with them to do trades with each other and other people that are finding it hard?"
i'd be rich by now.
but seriously though.
how hard is it to go upto that other familyless person, and ask them to make a deal with you?
or even to make a family and get those familyless people to join it?
so what if thier new. so what if you don't know them.
if thier new, you can be thier mentor and "raise" with all your knowledge and skill
if you don't know them at all, you can get to know them. who knows, you might just become good friends and have even more fun.
"if you know thiers families keeping you from buying/selling/trading stuff, and you know thiers others that think the same, why can't you just team up with them to do trades with each other and other people that are finding it hard?"
i'd be rich by now.
but seriously though.
how hard is it to go upto that other familyless person, and ask them to make a deal with you?
or even to make a family and get those familyless people to join it?
so what if thier new. so what if you don't know them.
if thier new, you can be thier mentor and "raise" with all your knowledge and skill
if you don't know them at all, you can get to know them. who knows, you might just become good friends and have even more fun.
same thing? what the heck are you talking about?
where the heck did i say anything about being greedy?
please, point it out.
please, oh please tell me how what i said meant acting like a greedy, big family that already exists.
if your referring to the deals thing
please tell me how that means you HAVE to buy at 1d?
it doesen't.
at all.
a deal COULD mean that you buy from them at 1s profit and they do the same from you.
*this isen't directed to you vdz, more of to the complainers as a whole*
My God. every island i have ever played has the exact same statment and complaints.
its like it has to be exactly spelled out for alot of people.
people are too darned lazy to look around, ask around, and take action for themselves.
the exact same issue was around when i started on apoc 2. what did i do? i asked every single person that needed what i made every single day if they needed some stuff. i diden't shout, i diden't spam, i diden't participate in ANY 1d trade deals, even if it was in my own family, even if i became good friends with them, i just calmly PMed them asking people if they needed any stuff, once or twice a real day, or when they logged on. what happened? after 3 months i was 3rd in wealth with over 30k.with absolutly no 1d transfering, no deals. just good honest playing.
i was then made a god, and a week laterthe top 2 in wealth died from being inactive. if i wasen't a god, i'd have been the richest on apoc 2, my first island.
same happened in Tunbridge (was 2nd in wealth at the end), Aramathea (3rd wealth), and in The Underground (ended in 2nd place, with the 1st place guy struggling his butt off to stay on top). was a few other islands too, but don't remember thier names.
where the heck did i say anything about being greedy?
please, point it out.
please, oh please tell me how what i said meant acting like a greedy, big family that already exists.
if your referring to the deals thing
please tell me how that means you HAVE to buy at 1d?
it doesen't.
at all.
a deal COULD mean that you buy from them at 1s profit and they do the same from you.
*this isen't directed to you vdz, more of to the complainers as a whole*
My God. every island i have ever played has the exact same statment and complaints.
its like it has to be exactly spelled out for alot of people.
people are too darned lazy to look around, ask around, and take action for themselves.
the exact same issue was around when i started on apoc 2. what did i do? i asked every single person that needed what i made every single day if they needed some stuff. i diden't shout, i diden't spam, i diden't participate in ANY 1d trade deals, even if it was in my own family, even if i became good friends with them, i just calmly PMed them asking people if they needed any stuff, once or twice a real day, or when they logged on. what happened? after 3 months i was 3rd in wealth with over 30k.with absolutly no 1d transfering, no deals. just good honest playing.
i was then made a god, and a week laterthe top 2 in wealth died from being inactive. if i wasen't a god, i'd have been the richest on apoc 2, my first island.
same happened in Tunbridge (was 2nd in wealth at the end), Aramathea (3rd wealth), and in The Underground (ended in 2nd place, with the 1st place guy struggling his butt off to stay on top). was a few other islands too, but don't remember thier names.
Last edited by zaroba on Tue Jun 22, 2004 6:49 pm, edited 5 times in total.
well...then get off your butt, stop complaining about it, teach that new player how to play and become a good business partner with him buying/selling at prices that would be profitable to all.
you could easily buy at a few d higher then he is selling, thus offering transfer options to other new players, which you could teach and get to join with you
you could easily buy at a few d higher then he is selling, thus offering transfer options to other new players, which you could teach and get to join with you
damn zar, your record is good, i gotta play an econ island against you. 
VDZ, anyone on zoric can get rich. i'm richest person there, and i don't have a family. don't get me wrong i think just about every family has asked me at one point, or just passing comments.
i haven't got any 1d transferring, i just own my business's and get along with it fine.
i dont have any 'deals' as such, one or 2 people work with me but nothing serious or 1d transferring crap. family's? they are just a bonus, only reason i ever been in family's is cause they can help you transfer really, or reach an ultimate goal, but it doesn't mean without one you won't reach it.
VDZ, anyone on zoric can get rich. i'm richest person there, and i don't have a family. don't get me wrong i think just about every family has asked me at one point, or just passing comments.
i haven't got any 1d transferring, i just own my business's and get along with it fine.
i dont have any 'deals' as such, one or 2 people work with me but nothing serious or 1d transferring crap. family's? they are just a bonus, only reason i ever been in family's is cause they can help you transfer really, or reach an ultimate goal, but it doesn't mean without one you won't reach it.
What I find fairly stupid about making money is that you can't stock up your own goods with goods from other buildings of your own. Like, wtf? wheat is wheat, doesn't matter where it comes from(most the time anyways). Why can't you put wheat from your own farm into another one of your own farm that needs it.
I know people will say, well you can get rich so easily that way. Well, the thing is, you need to know how to build a farm, and then start paying to build it. Now, that costs a lot already, you won't even start with that much money, so whats the harm in doing that? I mean, it'll be like real life, if you're rich to start with, you can get even richer easily. I should really be using the word wealthier, but anyways.
IF it were like this though, everyone would have their own business the whole time and never have anything special going on. But that just means you gotta make the products worth more. Say, they have imported groceries at stores now, most people don't care about where it comes from, as long as it's the same. Some people do. So, if say, the wheat is from another farm and hop is also from another farm, it'll make a higher quality dead cow, which in turn, makes more meat at butchers. Thus, making it worth more, and cost the same amount to make. Something along those lines.
But I really think you should be able to stock your own buildings with your own goods, because sometimes you might take something out by accident, (I did once) and then you realize you shouldn't have and want to put it back in. Then it stops you from doing it.
Well, could be either way, make imported goods worth more, or make your own goods worth less. Come on, if you had both a ranch AND a farm, would you NOT use wheat/corn from the farm and feed the livestock at the ranch?
Anyway, I bet this has been discussed before, but I really think it should be changed and add a somewhat new system to it.
I know people will say, well you can get rich so easily that way. Well, the thing is, you need to know how to build a farm, and then start paying to build it. Now, that costs a lot already, you won't even start with that much money, so whats the harm in doing that? I mean, it'll be like real life, if you're rich to start with, you can get even richer easily. I should really be using the word wealthier, but anyways.
IF it were like this though, everyone would have their own business the whole time and never have anything special going on. But that just means you gotta make the products worth more. Say, they have imported groceries at stores now, most people don't care about where it comes from, as long as it's the same. Some people do. So, if say, the wheat is from another farm and hop is also from another farm, it'll make a higher quality dead cow, which in turn, makes more meat at butchers. Thus, making it worth more, and cost the same amount to make. Something along those lines.
But I really think you should be able to stock your own buildings with your own goods, because sometimes you might take something out by accident, (I did once) and then you realize you shouldn't have and want to put it back in. Then it stops you from doing it.
Well, could be either way, make imported goods worth more, or make your own goods worth less. Come on, if you had both a ranch AND a farm, would you NOT use wheat/corn from the farm and feed the livestock at the ranch?
Anyway, I bet this has been discussed before, but I really think it should be changed and add a somewhat new system to it.
people say its already hard to transfer stuff. if that was put in, it'd be next to impossible.
personally, i don't think people would get richer from thgat. i htink the opposite will happen. if that was done, and alot of people did it, thierd be very little economy to the game. people would be poorer as they'd all be competing for stuff made dirt cheap. the people buying would be able to buy it as if they had money to waste. it'd pretty much just be like turning off the economy all together.
thats a good idea for it though, the part about if you buy the supplies from somebody else, you'll get better/more product then if you made the supplies youself. would probably take a ton of item recognition coding though
personally, i don't think people would get richer from thgat. i htink the opposite will happen. if that was done, and alot of people did it, thierd be very little economy to the game. people would be poorer as they'd all be competing for stuff made dirt cheap. the people buying would be able to buy it as if they had money to waste. it'd pretty much just be like turning off the economy all together.
thats a good idea for it though, the part about if you buy the supplies from somebody else, you'll get better/more product then if you made the supplies youself. would probably take a ton of item recognition coding though
note that there are settings available to turn on and off the limitations for stocking your own places. Im not sure if all work perfectly yet, and as zar says, its often not a wise thing.
The original rule itself came about after a few months of play-testing in the early days of traccie, and it helped a huge amount in making the economies interesting. Without it there was very little economic interaction between players.
Likewise tho, a system to encourage outside buying without completely limiting the stocking of your own places might be nice.. For now, I will have a look at adding something simple in like "When you stock your own product you lose a % of it".
The idea of having quality levels for products was thought of originally and 'quality' info is available in the item structures and code to allow it to happen. As zar says tho, theres a fair lil bit of work involved in getting it usable.. not impossible, but will probably be left until other more macro-level things have been sorted and/or i start getting paid for writin it
The original rule itself came about after a few months of play-testing in the early days of traccie, and it helped a huge amount in making the economies interesting. Without it there was very little economic interaction between players.
Likewise tho, a system to encourage outside buying without completely limiting the stocking of your own places might be nice.. For now, I will have a look at adding something simple in like "When you stock your own product you lose a % of it".
The idea of having quality levels for products was thought of originally and 'quality' info is available in the item structures and code to allow it to happen. As zar says tho, theres a fair lil bit of work involved in getting it usable.. not impossible, but will probably be left until other more macro-level things have been sorted and/or i start getting paid for writin it
and thier, vdz, would be a good place for people to do transferring.
its incredibly easy. set one of your buildings to buy at 1d higher then the other is selling and bingo, a place for people to make a bit of money in thier spare time. and you don't even need t odo anything besides making sure the recieving building has invest to buy the product.
i just did that on aram.
magic sold me his oil ref, and, knowing i can't stock it with oil i made, i built an oil drill anyway next to it and have it selling oil 1d cheaper then the ref is buying so that people can transfer it.
its incredibly easy. set one of your buildings to buy at 1d higher then the other is selling and bingo, a place for people to make a bit of money in thier spare time. and you don't even need t odo anything besides making sure the recieving building has invest to buy the product.
i just did that on aram.
magic sold me his oil ref, and, knowing i can't stock it with oil i made, i built an oil drill anyway next to it and have it selling oil 1d cheaper then the ref is buying so that people can transfer it.
