Changing planet names...

[Malkiah]

good luck -)

By the way, would look less stupid, if was changed everything for planets, not just the names. xD

you would sound less stupid if you just shut up XD

Its not funny, but you can make me fun - kill yourself. xD

And now - The End.

wes

Gorach

dont slander eachother, this is a debate, not an argument.

-Malk

[Gorach]

Yeah.. sorry...

I and Ygarik, we have 2nd and 1st places in Galactic Wealth Top. And we says: "This changes is stupid". I think our opinions has greater weight, than wes773. This is argument.

And changes was continued. Now Bongtrek is not Bongtrek, and Galactic... wtf?!... And Bongtrek is... I don't know what is it?! And for what this changes? I don't understand. And you have not convinced me.

Thanks.

[zaroba]

I and Ygarik, we have 2nd and 1st places in Galactic Wealth Top. And we says: "This changes is stupid". I think our opinions has greater weight, than wes773. This is argument.

um....

i'm not even going to bother

[Baladin]

I and Ygarik, we have 2nd and 1st places in Galactic Wealth Top. And we says: "This changes is stupid". I think our opinions has greater weight, than wes773. This is argument.

Erm, anyone can make 3 mil if they spend the time trading to get it and wes has played for over 3 years so personally i would 'weigh' his opinion over yours. However you are entitled to your opinion.

[Mishka]

Back in 06-07 you could easily lose all your money to a pirate. Aaah the good old days.


Erm.....back to Vert Mishka.

[Gorach]

I and Ygarik, we have 2nd and 1st places in Galactic Wealth Top. And we says: "This changes is stupid". I think our opinions has greater weight, than wes773. This is argument.

Erm, anyone can make 3 mil if they spend the time trading to get it 8) and wes has played for over 3 years so personally i would 'weigh' his opinion over yours. However you are entitled to your opinion.

I think... If anyone spend the time trading to get 3mil, his opinion is more objective in discussion about planet names. And if anyone was played 5 mins per day in fighting near Zoric over 3 years...

Baladin... I'm not saying that my dick is longer. -) If you tell us your opinion, will be great. Do you think that changing the names of all the planets is a great idea?

[Mishka]

I and Ygarik, we have 2nd and 1st places in Galactic Wealth Top. And we says: "This changes is stupid". I think our opinions has greater weight, than wes773. This is argument.

Erm, anyone can make 3 mil if they spend the time trading to get it and wes has played for over 3 years so personally i would 'weigh' his opinion over yours. However you are entitled to your opinion.

I think... If anyone spend the time trading to get 3mil, his opinion is more objective in discussion about planet names. And if anyone was played 5 mins per day in fighting near Zoric over 3 years...

Baladin... I'm not saying that my dick is longer. -) If you tell us your opinion, will be great. Do you think that changing the names of all the planets is a great idea?

Wether your opinion weights more than another is relative to the object's point of view. That's not for you to announce nor decide.

And for the record, "experience" in this game doesn't come with getting 3 million, if you had the experience you'd realise that that is insignificant. Experience in this game comes with the years spent with this community. This is a community game.


About your suggestion, there's really nothing else I could add other than what Malk, Zaroba and Fooli have said. They've placed it very clearly and have striken all points of view. Perhaps rereading such points is in order, in your place.

[Baladin]

Personally i like it the way it is, if every planet was named in the outer galaxy, there would be no challenge of stardriving there and places would be much easier to find, which is not what space is about, its about exploration and finding new things and trade routes. As for changing planet names i dont see what there is to argue about... if the person who owns that planet decides they want to change name then so be it, its entirely up to them. If you visit that planet frequently for trade routes and then find one day it is renamed its up to you to find out the new name by travelling to that galaxy.

[Gorach]

Mishka... I have brand management experience. And I know that such changes are bad for players, who "lives" in space.

And you are speak as if this is not the names of the planets, but the codes for InfImp, or teleport, or cheat codes, which was changed... And talked me about routes...

For example:
There is a shop 'ChickenLegs' sells food, and there is a shop 'Speedwalker', selling shoes. And you say that this is normal, when suddenly today at the store with food hanging name "Speedwalker", and on arms trader stigmatized 'ChickenLegs'. Oh, ok... Great point of view. But this is not just unrealistic or fantastic, it is nonsense! xD

but...it seems silly to me that you'd stop playing just because planet names sometimes change when they don't even seem to effect your game play.

You're absolutely right. But I don't like nonsenses very much... I don't like it into real life, and also into online game. This is the reason.

Ok, guys. Thank you for your comments.

[zaroba]

many companies HAVE changed there names over the years. including very many major companies. your a brand manager, you should know that already though

3m used to be called Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing
Alfa Romeo used to be called ALFA, but somebody bought the company and added his name to it
AOL used to be Quantum Computer Services
EA Games used to be Amazin' Software

the most common name changes is shortening the name:
AT&T used to be American Telephone and Telegraph Corporation
Microsoft used to be Micro-Soft
Nabisco used to be The National Biscuit Company

a lot of name changed happen with mergers or buyouts as well.


then there's all the country/city name changes: Name Changes Since 1990: Countries, Cities, and More

its realistic for a country/city to have its name changed.
so, why not a planet as well?

[Mishka]

Mishka... I have brand management experience. And I know that such changes are bad for players, who "lives" in space.

And you are speak as if this is not the names of the planets, but the codes for InfImp, or teleport, or cheat codes, which was changed... And talked me about routes...

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I am probably the most "space" experienced player right now in this community, go ahead and ask anyone. I know all the ins and outs, and I could easily weight my opinion over yours just because of that. But I won't., because your opinion is just as valid as mine. That's my point on that part.

The truth is, Gorach, that "space" is no priority in TheUniversal, you've just realised it just now, but many old space players like myself saw this a very long time ago.

This game is in not about space and neither is space a priority in development, it is more like an "addon", instead of a space game. It's nothing important in this game and neither does the game evolve around it.

It is very sad, because this part of the game has potential (space), but as I have seen over the years: Space will never get any serious attention like worlds do. Let's face it Gorach, TU is not a space game.

If anybody tells you: "TU is half space, half worlds", then let me tell you that is a lie. TU isn't "half space, half worlds", TU is "Play worlds, make worlds" and between it you have space, but why is space there? Space is there as a commodity, to show that worlds are worlds, "planets" in other words. But it is as important as a lake on planet Zion.

You may ask yourself: "Then why do we have weapons and a trade system in space?". Well the truth is, none of that was made by this game's developer, perhaps a bit touched but nothing more. The space part is another game which got merged into this one, I think the name was "Iridis".

Space has never really been worked on, except on small details. This game just isn't a space game, it's the cold harsh truth.

Your idea is noble, you suggestion is true, but it all comes down you one thing: This game is no space game and it will never sacrifice anything from worlds for space, never. Space is there as a reason to make worlds "worlds", actual "planets" instead of islands, to represent them somewhere instead of cybernetic void of nothing. But nothing more. All the space features such as trading and fighting come from another game.


My advice is if you're looking for a space game to play, look somewhere else, TheUniversal isn't a space game, it's not what you're looking for Gorach. I'm sorry to say it more than anyone could, since I was one of the core space players, but it's the cold harsh true.

[Fooli]

Quite a lot of what you say is wrong, Mishka, but especially this bit:

Well the truth is, none of that was made by this game's developer, perhaps a bit touched but nothing more. The space part is another game which got merged into this one, I think the name was "Iridis".

Space has never really been worked on, except on small details. This game just isn't a space game, it's the cold harsh truth.

I dunno where you got that idea, but it's nonsense :] Mit wrote the space bit of the game just like all the other bits. He did so because, like me, he wanted to pay homage to/create something in the same vein as, Elite. It's true that the space game is quite immature/unfinished compared to worlds, and yes, worlds are where it all began. But given infinite time and resources (or even just "more time and resources") I can guarantee you that Mit would be working on the space stuff today.

Iridis, by the way, is the name of a shooty spaceship arena combat/CTF world that Mit created (the name is also homage to another classic title). It's online from time to time, mostly so we can look at it and say "hmm... we really oughta polish this up and get it out there". And then we don't (see previous resource comment).

Just so we're clear :)
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[Mishka]

Quite a lot of what you say is wrong, Mishka, but especially this bit:

Well the truth is, none of that was made by this game's developer, perhaps a bit touched but nothing more. The space part is another game which got merged into this one, I think the name was "Iridis".

Space has never really been worked on, except on small details. This game just isn't a space game, it's the cold harsh truth.

I dunno where you got that idea, but it's nonsense :] Mit wrote the space bit of the game just like all the other bits. He did so because, like me, he wanted to pay homage to/create something in the same vein as, Elite. It's true that the space game is quite immature/unfinished compared to worlds, and yes, worlds are where it all began. But given infinite time and resources (or even just "more time and resources") I can guarantee you that Mit would be working on the space stuff today.

Iridis, by the way, is the name of a shooty spaceship arena combat/CTF world that Mit created (the name is also homage to another classic title). It's online from time to time, mostly so we can look at it and say "hmm... we really oughta polish this up and get it out there". And then we don't (see previous resource comment).

Just so we're clear
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I got the info from the people over the years, don't remember who was the last person that spoke to me about this. If what you say above is so (which it is), then it seems it was a very very extended rumor. Anyhow there is no official info on the origins of TheUniversal, except for Atractor, and except for what you've just said. You don't really hear the staff in game talking about "This came first, we did this second". So "rumors" like these are free to go from person to person. As you can see, I'm one of those persons who thought it was true, I don't blame myself though, I came in 2006, I never played Atractor. I am completely gullible to stories of the mass transition of Atractor to TheUniversal.

The rest of what I mentioned in my previous post is just a self-made opinion based on observations. I can't say I'm right, but it's what I see..... Let me tell you one thing though, I'd love to see someone make me see otherwise.....


Anyhow I still love this game how it is, I can't stay out of it for long, there's something that keeps pulling me back. And I have a theory on what that is: My hidden and unhidden love for this game. Look at me now, tackling what I thought I would never take head on: World Creation. Modeling, texturing, scripting. I'm still here after 3 years, almost 4. And I keep enjoying it as it was day one. That I have a lot of things to protest about space, that's a truth that most of you know, but I came here looking for a space game, and I ended up learning how to make a model, texture it, and soon enough animate it.

This game is special, the community is special. If 70% of the new players who enter the void of space every day would see this atleast lightly, we would have a huge playerbase.

[Bipper]

I and Ygarik, we have 2nd and 1st places in Galactic Wealth Top. And we says: "This changes is stupid". I think our opinions has greater weight, than wes773. This is argument.

Erm, anyone can make 3 mil if they spend the time trading to get it and wes has played for over 3 years so personally i would 'weigh' his opinion over yours. However you are entitled to your opinion.

I think... If anyone spend the time trading to get 3mil, his opinion is more objective in discussion about planet names. And if anyone was played 5 mins per day in fighting near Zoric over 3 years...

Baladin... I'm not saying that my dick is longer. -) If you tell us your opinion, will be great. Do you think that changing the names of all the planets is a great idea?

what experiance do you even get from flying around in space ? it is boring and repetetive, in my eyes your still teh new guy. You gotta be pretty dumb to think flying backwards and forwards for weeks, on a game with a playerbase of like 10 ppl, is a good way to spend your time. you has a small dick bro.