KILLING NEWBS IS WRONG, MISHKA

flametard · Post by **flametard** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:39 pm

i love the new clan system, its got the great stimutacs trading again. i think it will do wonders for this galaxy. what wont do wonders is that guys in galaxy cruisers now think killing newbs is ok. Im talking about mishka, gal cruiser with phasers versus a cargo ship who just graduated from water to minerals, no sheilds, no missiles. Stimutacs convinced him to join NR, and that alone is enough reason for experienced players to scare off newbs?

i propose that since we cannot teach players like mishka common sence and morals, and since newbs WILL be inducted into the factions, that

the protected systems be fully protected again, not just near the stations. the way it used to be.

Stimutacs convinced jblz to leave NR, but as feared and crazy as Stimutacs is, he doesnt want any newbs to be killed by top level players. its just weak, wrong, immoral.

whats more important here? faction stuff or new players?

just for the record, mishka killed this newb 3 times. first time he pirated his cargo sending him back to trade water again. and in the next 5 minutes he killed him 2 more times. am i the only one who thinks this is not right?

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:41 pm

What's more important is that nobody could give a toss.

Grow up, joining a faction provokes attacks, get used to it. Besides, if you hadn't been such a moron on the forums, people probably wouldn't be targetting NR like they are.

flametard · Post by **flametard** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:46 pm

hah. look. this isnt about me, or NR. this is about NEWBS getting to play this game. try to stay focused. if you dont give a toss about newbs, then you dont give a toss about this game. think about it before you start name calling.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:46 pm

According to my member list, he is not a newb, he is the enemy, see for yourself:

My point is that if you are going to join a guild you must accept the risks of being attacked, since the guild pwr consists of killing members from another faction. Guilds this day are killing each other for power, I was doing the same.

Newb or not, he is the enemy and will be attacked by the oposing factions. You should have told him he was at risk of being attacked when he joined, that's what I do with my members.

If you want me not to attack him, get him out of NR, as simple as that.

Stimutacs you need a hug.

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:48 pm

You focus, i tried to get people to stop newb killing but people like smithy had total protection from the staff and carried on. Nobody cares about the newbs, at least not the staff. The reason your complaining is because he was a member of NR, i haven't noticed you complaining about any other innocent traders before. Plus, it's your fault that the anger towards NR's continued, hence the killing.

morbydvisns · Post by **morbydvisns** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:51 pm

thats why their called 'newbs' XD

if their going to step into a faction theive in a sense declared theirselfes not a newb and have opened themselves to being attacked by enemys. We have, and id probably say most other factions dont bother with newbs unless their sporting a bounty or out in space being a newb with a full load of expensive cargo without a decent way of defending themselves ( a traveling buddy with a 'non-newb ship' if u will).

While i dont agree that cirrus should be full protect, some 'newb-protection' wouldnt be a bad thing... some sort of attack immunity for x hours after first login (provided they dont join a faction) would be choice.

And faction owners that recruit new players in the game to their faction that they dont know and dont make a point to keep that player protected is an ignorant move anyway.

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:54 pm

flametard wrote:think about it before you start name calling.

Hmm... nice topic name there

flametard · Post by **flametard** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:05 pm

if i recall correctly, the full protection got changed to partial protection when the fighting in the game was lacking. back in the days when only an EM could win a fight. now that theres no lack of space battles (thanks to ions and factions), the newbs should have 2 fully protected systems again. thats my opinion.

for the sake of newbs everywhere, NR will no longer be recruiting newbs. but that doesnt change the fact that this could happen again with another faction.

furthermore, only a complete moron would take the ramblings of parodies of supervillains seriously. yes, its a joke. abstract reasoning, humor, a HUMON trait. its pretty sad i had to spell it out for you. kinda not as funny anymore.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:29 pm

if i recall correctly, the full protection got changed to partial protection when the fighting in the game was lacking. back in the days when only an EM could win a fight. now that theres no lack of space battles (thanks to ions and factions), the newbs should have 2 fully protected systems again. thats my opinion.

I disagree, the partial protection is great, now players don't only have to think on attack , but they also need to make a defence strategy to survive and that includes getting to the protection zone before getting killed.

urthermore, only a complete moron would take the ramblings of parodies of supervillains seriously. yes, its a joke. abstract reasoning, humor, a HUMON trait. its pretty sad i had to spell it out for you. kinda not as funny anymore.

And I suppose all the insults in public1 channel were all a joke to? Calling us all jerks and insult me directly, how funny.

Don't be silly stim.

kb32a · Post by **kb32a** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:41 pm

If we've learned anything over the past few months, its that the starting systems should not be protected. Probably more then 80% of all space combat/excitement occurs in the two main systems.

jblz would not have been attacked had he not joined your faction. Sure, it is a tad rough to kill a newb who has cargo, but the game is much better w/o restrictions. Just get enraged, and use it for motivation to kill Mishka and BG members.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:43 pm

blz would not have been attacked had he not joined your faction. Sure, it is a tad rough to kill a newb who has cargo, but the game is much better w/o restrictions. Just get enraged, and use it for motivation to kill Mishka and BG members.

I am surprised that till today you still don't know this:

Stimutacs is all talk.

kb32a · Post by **kb32a** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:49 pm

Actually, for always having a trash ship, Stim is one of the harder players to kill 1v1 in the game . His excessive but probably sarcastic boasting kind of takes the shine off of his skills though.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:51 pm

kb32a wrote:Actually, for always having a trash ship, Stim is one of the harder players to kill 1v1 in the game . His excessive but probably sarcastic boasting kind of takes the shine off of his skills though.

He wasn't so hard when I killed him....

theseer · Post by **theseer** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:27 am

Since when has it become so alright to kill newbies in the game? jblz or whatever may not have been one but what if a person was to join a faction upon starting the game? A faction could promise to guide the new player along and bang, suddenly they're a target?

To constructively contribute, how about the newbies get full protection (in the main systems) until they purchase a shield OR one they get 2 or 3 times the cost of a shield in credits.

Alfred · Post by **Alfred** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:36 am

When I was a lowly newb in this game I had an encounter with sergiusz who asked me to join sr,I refused ,shortly thereafter I was attacked by several SR members,unfortunatly I had a glitch that turned all text to gibberish,rendering negotiations impossible.I lost all my cargo and was bumped back to trading water.I talked to my attackers on a world and we fixed the texting glitch and they where actually really helpful,explaining many things and suggesting ways for me to regain my credits.This encounter infuriated me at the time,but after talking to my attackers,I came to terms with the situation and allowed it to fuel my ambition to get a better ship ,and eventually to exact revenge(in a friendly manner)by blowing each of my attackers up once I was able.I look back on it now as an event that actually made the game more exciting.Now I'm not saying newbs should be attacked or persecuted,but a little danger in the game even when your just starting out makes it much more exciting,but as with everything there should always be a balance.

Alfred · Post by **Alfred** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:44 am

I would also like to add that maybe we should have a more emphatic suggestion to join and read the forum and have the url for the wiki posted somewhere prominently,so that newbs can find out more about the game from the start easily.I also attacked jblz(he got quite mad) but entered into negotiations with him before blowing him up,I told him about the forum and the wiki ,at the time he also seemed to be having some trouble with some of the USSR faction,I advised him that NR was not necessarily a traders faction and that might be why he was drawing so much fire(NR does happen to be listed as KOS on the AIF forum btw,wouldn't be suprised if other factions have it listed as the same.)I gave him the url for the wiki and suggested he read more on the forum and make decisions on what faction he wished to be a part of after some research on all of them.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:53 am

Good posts Alfred, actually, following the SR tradition coz I was a member, I made negotiations with jblz, but an hour later I see he violated them and so I attacked him again and again till he go through the terms of negotiation, he did so and I stopped attacking. It's very simple.

Alfred · Post by **Alfred** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:32 pm

Well then I'm probably right that by the time he started freaking out on the USSR faction folks he was totally fed up with getting attacked(you said you had repeatedly attacked him,they were attacking him and I had too)and just wanted to get back to trading some #$%%^! water!Cut the guy some slack on the whole abuse thing(another thread)We'd done plucked his last nerve!Now if he shows a tendency for loosing his cool that's another matter

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:38 pm

Alfred wrote:Well then I'm probably right that by the time he started freaking out on the USSR faction folks he was totally fed up with getting attacked(you said you had repeatedly attacked him,they were attacking him and I had too)and just wanted to get back to trading some #$%%^! water!Cut the guy some slack on the whole abuse thing(another thread)We'd done plucked his last nerve!Now if he shows a tendency for loosing his cool that's another matter

Hmm Alfred, as much as angry he could have been it was no reason to personally attack another member like that. Sorry Alfred, but that's no an excuse. Anyways, that is another topic. And I started attacking him after the incident posted in the other thread, not because he insulted Lenin, but because he is in an enemy faction. As simple as that, my point is he insulted Lenin way before I attacked him. So I don't have anything to do with that.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:03 pm

sorry, but even if he flipped out after being attacked and reset a hundred times in one day, thats no excuse to act like that. if anything, it just shows that he isn't to smart. its not hard to just stop trying to trade for a few hours if your getting blown up over and over as soon as you leave the station. especially if your getting extremely pansy off.