A question: if a newbie accidently invested a lot of money into a building, sold it to you, and realised he made a mistake, and asked for it back, would you give it to him?
10/10, I would, I can say that in all honestly.
But it's not cheating, it's a mistake right? so there's no law against it, but it's pretty wrong by most standards. There have been times in the past when I can honestly say there have been 1 or 2 times when a newbie has given me the good end of the bargain, and I kept it, but if the newbie asked, I would give him/her the value of the mistake they made.
So, this is more of a moral issue yes? I think anyone who refuses to give back money/property because of an accidental gain needs a flogging, it's not very game-friendly, and it's a shame it happens. I guess greed is a common thing in a game with money.
I still think there should be an honour code among the regular players when it comes to dealing with the less experienced. Anyone got any comments?
(Most of my topics are based on feedback from other players, mentioning names would be mean a bit, esp if it might be false, but in this case I highly doubt it. I don't mention names, but I do make the points valid and clear to get everybodys view, so it's also a silent warning)
A fool easily departed with his money...
Re: A fool easily departed with his money...
actually it's a video game.Nigel wrote: So, this is more of a moral issue yes?
who said that, plato? i didn't even know he owned an atari."it's only a game" is the last excuse of the poor defender
and worrying about other people's feelings is the true mark of an evil, horrible person.
congradulations! you get the empty rhetoric medal for the day!
i like saying words! that means they're true!seriously though, there's no way you're going to prevent this from happening some of the time. it's not like the scammer doesn't know it's "not nice" -- heck, they could be a relative newbie, two hours into the game as well -- it doesn't take much to get your scammin stripes on.
while it's nice that we're all talking about the logistics of right and wrong; as you say, there's no real divide between reality and the gameverse on this issue: there's always gonna be jerks. if you're around when they're doin it and feel like musclin' them a bit, well, there's that. life prolly isn't gettin any fairer by talkin about it though.
and i'm probably one of 'em for this post
*flog hredgehog for not posting stuff having to do with the topic of discussion.
thiers enough off-topicness already around
anyway. to me it would depend on the situation and the skill of the other player.
if/when events like this happen on zoric, my judgeing is that if a building is for sale, anybody can freely buy it. granted that the building owner properly knows and is volentairly doing it themselves, as opposed to somebody teaching a new player and telling them to invest and sell a building for 1s. then i'd take the building back and warn the player not to do it.
personally though, if it was a brand new player and i saw it in an island i was playing on, i would ask the player about it when i saw them come on next and give it back if it was a mistake.
but, if the player knows how to play the game, i would keep the building.
an example of this happened on planitia recently: fearnick baught a chemlab that thekillachicken had for sale, it was for sale for 400s and had atleast 1500s in it. chicken was saying that fear scammed him and wanted the money back. i told him i would have kept it too, since he wasen't exactly a brand new player and fearnick diden't actually tell chicken to invest in the lab and set it for sale.
thiers enough off-topicness already around
anyway. to me it would depend on the situation and the skill of the other player.
if/when events like this happen on zoric, my judgeing is that if a building is for sale, anybody can freely buy it. granted that the building owner properly knows and is volentairly doing it themselves, as opposed to somebody teaching a new player and telling them to invest and sell a building for 1s. then i'd take the building back and warn the player not to do it.
personally though, if it was a brand new player and i saw it in an island i was playing on, i would ask the player about it when i saw them come on next and give it back if it was a mistake.
but, if the player knows how to play the game, i would keep the building.
an example of this happened on planitia recently: fearnick baught a chemlab that thekillachicken had for sale, it was for sale for 400s and had atleast 1500s in it. chicken was saying that fear scammed him and wanted the money back. i told him i would have kept it too, since he wasen't exactly a brand new player and fearnick diden't actually tell chicken to invest in the lab and set it for sale.
Yeah, have to agree with Zar, this isn't like someone setting a product that sells for 1d normally to sell for 1s, or the massive overpricing on housing that goes on in Gyruss to specifically take money from newer players, or people who aren't paying total attention.
It was their choice to place the building for sale as much as it was their choice to add so much into investment. If you change things so that once a building is bought the investment goes back to the origional owner, then you'll have the reverse happening. People filling investment with 2x building cost, and selling the building at 1.5x cost. Anyone unaware of this change would believe that they could simply buy the building and get the investment with it, and actually end up with a loss greater than what they should have.
Then there's the question of buildings that people have owned when they die... Often these have either investment or items that equal or exceed the cost of the building. Would you want the same to apply just because someone didn't feel like logging in for a week, or decided that they didn't want to stock up on food.
The point is that people have to learn how to manage their money, if it isn't through one mistake, it will certainly be through another. It is the only way that people have a chance to learn from these experiences.
It was their choice to place the building for sale as much as it was their choice to add so much into investment. If you change things so that once a building is bought the investment goes back to the origional owner, then you'll have the reverse happening. People filling investment with 2x building cost, and selling the building at 1.5x cost. Anyone unaware of this change would believe that they could simply buy the building and get the investment with it, and actually end up with a loss greater than what they should have.
Then there's the question of buildings that people have owned when they die... Often these have either investment or items that equal or exceed the cost of the building. Would you want the same to apply just because someone didn't feel like logging in for a week, or decided that they didn't want to stock up on food.
The point is that people have to learn how to manage their money, if it isn't through one mistake, it will certainly be through another. It is the only way that people have a chance to learn from these experiences.
Well that happened to me too. I lost most of my money on gyruss because of that and all i was left with was 12s. It took me a while to recover but now i know i'll never do it again.
However if someone did that and asked me to give it back because they just started, i'd give it back right away, its as wrong as selling houses to newbs for 900s on gyruss.
Sadly some people don't think so, they just need to have every penny, and don't care if they screw others that are just starting and leave them miserable. They're not only frustrating new players, but stalling the economy, as some of these players will probably leave.
Glad to see it isn't logical to others too, even veteran players, as zaroba said.
Sure they may have been playing for a while, but maybe they never sold a building with investment during their newbie days.
So if they didn't know about it (as it isn't written anywhere) are they any more undeserving of their money than a total newbie?
How would you feel if you were in their shoes?
And anyway if anything.. people buying a building with more investment in it than the building's sell price are probably trying to scam someone.. and getting scammed by the change is what they deserve anyway
However if someone did that and asked me to give it back because they just started, i'd give it back right away, its as wrong as selling houses to newbs for 900s on gyruss.
Sadly some people don't think so, they just need to have every penny, and don't care if they screw others that are just starting and leave them miserable. They're not only frustrating new players, but stalling the economy, as some of these players will probably leave.
Not if theres nowhere written your investment goes with the building when you sell it. The concept of selling building stocks with the building is ok, but selling INVESTMENT to another player (= selling money? wth?) isn't logical to me.Vagrant wrote: It was their choice to place the building for sale as much as it was their choice to add so much into investment.
Glad to see it isn't logical to others too, even veteran players, as zaroba said.
Sure they may have been playing for a while, but maybe they never sold a building with investment during their newbie days.
So if they didn't know about it (as it isn't written anywhere) are they any more undeserving of their money than a total newbie?
How would you feel if you were in their shoes?
If such a change happens, i expect to see it in the news page or a changelog or something. As long as it's written somewhere easily found by new and old players alike, people shouldn't have problems to adapt.Vagrant wrote: If you change things so that once a building is bought the investment goes back to the origional owner, then you'll have the reverse happening. People filling investment with 2x building cost, and selling the building at 1.5x cost. Anyone unaware of this change would believe that they could simply buy the building and get the investment with it, and actually end up with a loss greater than what they should have.
And anyway if anything.. people buying a building with more investment in it than the building's sell price are probably trying to scam someone.. and getting scammed by the change is what they deserve anyway
even if it was changed, thier'd still be the same troubles. it could just as easily not be writin anywhere. changing it and then writing it around isen't exactly easier then just writing it down now.
its not really that hard a thing to know about either. if you've ever baught a building that has stocks and investment, even from jehovah, then you should know it'll happen.
its not really that hard a thing to know about either. if you've ever baught a building that has stocks and investment, even from jehovah, then you should know it'll happen.
it just seems a meaningless topic to me. either everyone goes "oh me too! i'd give it back! yay! we're all great!" or you get some jerk that says he'd keep it, gets censured by the rest, and we're half a toe into flamewar.zaroba wrote:*flog hredgehog for not posting stuff having to do with the topic of discussion.
thiers enough off-topicness already around
i mean, that sums it up really, dunnit? you make a mistake and either you luck out, or you pay for it and move on.dogmeat wrote:Well that happened to me too. I lost most of my money on gyruss because of that and all i was left with was 12s. It took me a while to recover but now i know i'll never do it again.
