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New page in the history of Andromeda

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Times change, as always. As now.

Almost overnight (in the galactic time frame, anyway), the galaxy witnessed the birth of the new pirate clan (NR, I think, its name). Many people are scoffed at the wannabe leader and even wanted to get him banned.

But let's leave it for staff to consider... The rest of us have to face it - as of now, there were no bannable violations, and the new leader is not a wannabe anymore. The new clan has risen, and it may turn out to be even stronger and fearful than the old one.

By looking with a sober eye from a distance, trying to stay uninvolved, what did I see?

He is rising hell in the ranks of (shall we say now?) old pirate clan. The leader has won the battle against Vinn himself, is proud of it and busy making his team strong. Today I witnessed a conversation between him and one of the SR members. They had a battle, SR member lost, and surprisingly, his attitude towards the newcomer changed abruptly from scorn to respect!

Of course he is hated by almost everyone, but that's taken for granted - good and nice guys don't become pirate clan leaders :D

The other day I encountered a very strange noob. It was a cargo ship, had a ridiculous bounty of 50cr or so (and that was my reason to attack him), had no money, and, I realize now, had not even shields. But he had a cargo hold of 18 military! Some ships stayed in the same system, apparently doing nothing. How is that possible?

Then Decahwn (NR leader) contacted me on the channel and said not to interfere (but it was too late, I've done my job :D).

From the channel talks (and the new clan leader is veeeery verbose, i should add) I found that they always share their prey, and a bit later I found that they all gonna have Cobras or better very soon. Which means, I accidentally hit one of them in the process of sharing someone's bounty.

Which means, very soon we gonna have lots of noobs in advanced ships flying around pirating and wrecking havoc in the gal in general. It will be very easy for them to acquire new members, because of easy advance in the ships and weapons that this system promises. I am sure the majority of noobs will join such clan with pleasure.

So, watch out, SR, you may become outdated very soon. A fleet of strong ships is being prepared right under your nose. And while having a strong ship is not guarantee for a win, I am sure the training and tactics will follow.

As for the war between new clan and SR, I am always happy when pirate dogs kill each other...

As for the poor beginning traders, well, I don't know what to say. These NR guys, since they acquired their ships simply by grant, they don't have the taste of arduous water trading, they don't have respect for other people's time and effort. They will just come and grab you. Noob killing will reign. You have no chance other than join the pirate force, I guess.

As for me, I think I will have no other choice than to adopt the same strategy, but used for trading and hunting: I will take noobs who got the tase of trading, who hate pirates and want to take their money back, and lift them up the money ladder, to Cobra with phasers. Of course, I will not be able to help them all, but at least some close friends I might help. To balance out the coming monster.

Happy trading :D
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Let them come!
The SR is not scared of anyone!
I'd say it's about time we finally have a decent enemy :D
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Xorgen wrote:Many people are scoffed at the wannabe leader and even wanted to get him banned.
erm...people wanting him banned has little to do with sr. if he wants to be in a clan and be against sr, then thats a good thing. the game needs more clan combat. probably everybody will agree on that.

people want him banned because he'll go into other clans channels and start cursing at them, bragging, and claim to be able to blow up people and then just makes excuses when it comes to living upto his claimes (basicly all talk and no action). not to mention the fact that he lies alot, contridicts himself quite often, and does stuff then says its other people that do it and acts like he does nothing at all, he'll just sit there and say 'whatever' and 'stop lieing' if you ever bring up anything that he doesn't wnt to admit doing. he also does things that many would consider cheating just because 'mit didn't say he can't do them'

Xorgen wrote:there were no bannable violations
doing the above on a daily bases makes the game unenjoyable for other players (why do you think gavin left?) and while not truely a bannable offense, any player acting like that much of an a-hole on a daily bases shouldn't even be allowed to play. i've already banned on sab and zoric because, well, people who act like him have no right to play in my opinion.

maybe the rules just need to be changed. its not the first time a person acting like him has come around, annoyed the hell out of everybody, didn't get banned, and resaulted in alot of people not having much fun in the game.
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Post by Xorgen »

I agree this is not good, but since there is no ban in space, we have to deal with it. And I proposed the solution for space - advance good players as well.

As for the flame wars, there is a simple solution - don't answer. Don't react on flame and it will die down. I tried and it works for me
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Post by Willburn »

YES!!!!
Thank you zaroba.
You said exactely what I have been trying to convey to this community for a long time.
Please don't think that it's only decahwn who is doing all that stuff.
There are several other names I could say here now, you probably all know who I'm talking about. *cough*Cubabart*cough*
Those kinda people, who ruin the game for others while gaining precisely nothing by doing so are called griefers.
If you do not know what a griefer is, look it up right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

Griefers are present in EVERY Multiplayer computer game out there. May it be the annoying teamkiller in counterstrike or people who block doors in mmos, spammers, racists,......
There is a whole variety of griefers out there...you probably understand what I'm getting at here.
The difference from TU to most of those other games out there is, that griefers get the crap kicked out of them by the admins. Griefing usually results in a kick, if repeated even in a ban.
In TU, many players notice people like Cubabart or decahwn cursing, exploiting bugs and verbally assaulting other people in the game...they also notice that they are receiving no punishment at all for it. And guess what, they also start doing it. In the past couple of days I have seen quite a number of people using profane language and verbally assaulting other people in the game.

Admins, this has to stop.
Please take action, or I will follow Gavin's example too and leave this game for good!
I'm being serious on this....right now this game feels nothing but a big waste of time for me. I really don't feel like spending my scarce free time on listening to other people insult me, lie to me and use bug exploits on me.

EDIT: Oh, and please don't give us the "send a complaint email to this adress" phrase. I have done it in the Cubabart case and nothing at all has happened.
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Willburn wrote:EDIT: Oh, and please don't give us the "send a complaint email to this adress" phrase. I have done it in the Cubabart case and nothing at all has happened.
Guess what. Send an email to the abuse address. I haven't seen anything about any of this. Without a formal complaint, via email, backed up with proof, we're hardly likely to do anything, are we. And whenever we're in-game it all mysteriously stops..

There's definitely some balancing still to be done; there are definitely griefers; and there's definitely not enough time to moderate the whole community, here and in-game, as effectively as we'd all like. It's free though, innit :)

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all gal chat is logged isen't it? the server also sits on your pc doesn't it? :P
i've got plenty of free time and woulden't mind going threw it if you want and can take screen shots of the highlights for you.
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Willburn wrote:Let them come!
The SR is not scared of anyone!
I'd say it's about time we finally have a decent enemy :D
Em, I dont agree there flow, they are certainly not a decent enemy lol :D
Just young noobs having an adventure run.
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He won vinn because Deca never fought Vinn 1vs 1, Deca allways came with 3 or more people and ambushed him. Vinn invites Deca to fight 1vs 1 and the only thing Deca does is try to avoid the fight at all cost. Again I say, they are certainly not a decent enemy, I think they dont even match up with the old AIF XD. At least the AIF and the SR are are brave enough to fight someone 1 vs 1.

The other bad thing, is that most of the SR members cant see Deca, or other of his members in space, so we cant help when another member is under attack. We are all in the same system but he is invisible shooting our member. Its really strange. I tried reinstalling my client, didnt work, then I restarted my computer 3 times, still didnt see him.
As Fooli told me the other day this should be random, but it isnt, its always and Deca denies to help me fix it. :?

If this gets fixed then SR will have no trouble winning the war, most or all of SR members have superior ships most, alien ships, while they have inferior ships. They onlly get the uper hand by ambushing, avoiding 1vs 1 or 2vs 2 or 3vs 3..... fights, and abusing this strange bug or hack that I just cant get to fix.
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chat log is on the chat server, which I don't host unfortunately...

... however, apologies if you have actually been emailing abuse@ and didn't get a reply. As I said, I haven't seen any emails about any of this. But having just tested the address myself, and not receiving my own message, there's obvously a problem with our mail server too (most likely, the inbox is full). I'll sort that out now if I can.

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Post by Xorgen »

I have the same bug. I have never ever seen decahwn even though other people were talking to him on the system chat. I also can never see Alfred and some other people, but can freely talk to them on public chats and I do see them on worlds.

It is not random - I always don't see the same people.

Although it can be random in a sence that people i can't see are picked up randomly, but this happens only once and never changes.
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Post by Willburn »

Fooli wrote: Guess what. Send an email to the abuse address. I haven't seen anything about any of this. Without a formal complaint, via email, backed up with proof, we're hardly likely to do anything, are we. And whenever we're in-game it all mysteriously stops..

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Inform me as soon as your mail is working again.
I did send that email and I also backed it up.
Resending it won't be a problem at all.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, I don't see DECA and Alfred either in space...
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Post by Theros_12 »

I say its more of a foot note than a page a whole page in the history of the galaxy.

Vinnashal didn't lose, he killed Deca and who ever else was with him 2 times before they killed him once.

Vinn never backed down. He would just keep fighting until he couldn't.
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Willburn wrote:
Fooli wrote: Guess what. Send an email to the abuse address. I haven't seen anything about any of this. Without a formal complaint, via email, backed up with proof, we're hardly likely to do anything, are we. And whenever we're in-game it all mysteriously stops..

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Inform me as soon as your mail is working again.
I did send that email and I also backed it up.
Resending it won't be a problem at all.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, I don't see DECA and Alfred either in space...

Will do - I need Magic to fix whatever the problem is. Feel free to mail me direct in the meantime - fooli@ (the usual address)
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Theros_12 wrote:Vinnashal didn't lose, he killed Deca and who ever else was with him 2 times before they killed him once.

Vinn never backed down. He would just keep fighting until he couldn't.
and i'll bet that deca will act like that never happened :P
he'll just say its a lie and act like only the part of him killing vinn happened.
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Post by Alfred »

I also can't see Deca in space.I can't see Xorgen,Flowstyler,or Coolbiker either,and probably many others.And it does seem to be the same people and not random.
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zaroba wrote:
Theros_12 wrote:Vinnashal didn't lose, he killed Deca and who ever else was with him 2 times before they killed him once.

Vinn never backed down. He would just keep fighting until he couldn't.
and i'll bet that deca will act like that never happened :P
he'll just say its a lie and act like only the part of him killing vinn happened.
Well, I see you finaly got to know him well Zar, I am glad to see that. Deca's lies really irritate me, I have to count to 10 everytime he does it.
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Alfred wrote:I also can't see Deca in space.I can't see Xorgen,Flowstyler,or Coolbiker either,and probably many others.And it does seem to be the same people and not random.
Well, the bug is very serious then. I think it increased in the latest version. Should this bug be posted in the bug forum?
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Post by Da Ganja Man »

I killed Deca 3 times. Hi is nazist and gay :) All nazist are gay....
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Post by Willburn »

Yea, thanks for giving us a perfect example for a griefer ganja....
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