my own world

dazjorz · Post by **dazjorz** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:59 pm

Hiya,

I am maybe going to get my own world. but i actually need hosting for that. can someone with a good upload post a reply?

ty, dazzy

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:19 pm

i'll probably start hosting again in the next week or two

dazjorz · Post by **dazjorz** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:58 am

Thanks, Zaroba! I will now donate the 42 euro's to Mit, so that i receive the key, and then, when you are finished with your computer problems, you can start hosting. Thanks!

By the way, could you please set up an FTP server too, so that you don't have to do everything yourself? it doesn't matter what ftp server you use.

Really thanks a lot,
DaZjorz

dazjorz · Post by **dazjorz** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:03 pm

IMPORTANT! At the moment, owning a world is only for people who are so keen to run a server they don't mind an occasionally buggy program, a frequent lack of support and no guarantees of anything at all. It helps if you have a basic knowledge of the principles of game design and server hosting. We will not be providing worlds to anyone under 16 - if you're not, please don't send a donation expecting a world. If all that sounds like you, then feel free to send a $42 donation mentioning that you would like to receive a world.

Mit? Why is that rule?!

DaZjorz

dazjorz · Post by **dazjorz** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:13 pm

I have permission of my parents (i am 13). is that enough?

Bye,
DaZjorz

dazjorz · Post by **dazjorz** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:54 pm

Guys, some new things. I just tried to book the 42 euro's to my other bank account. Only, i need some kind of code, which is on a big list, that i lost. So, I will get a new list next week. Then I can book the 42 euro's to my other bank account, then i can donate the money, then i have my own world

Is everything okay, Mit? Am I legal if i have permission of my parents..?

Thanks,

DaZjorz

Post by **Mit** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:22 pm

As long as you fully understand all that's been put there on that page it shouldnt be a problem. Ive added that line in recently (along with the stuff about how you cant necessarily expect many people to visit your world) just because its become plainly obvious recently that running a server is not something thats really compatable with some of the less mature inhabitants of the internet.

I dont want to get in a situation again where someone sends us a Donation, and then starts streaming childish abuse on the chat and via email because its not all working right all the time, because its difficult to understand, and because the small playerbase means that most of the time your world is likely to be completely empty.

If you're willing to accept that fair enuf - just remember that its a Donation which is intended to help the game progress rather than a payment for a fully working product.

VDZ · Post by **VDZ** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:54 pm

*sigh*

Well i won't start the discussion about that there's almost as many adult morons as there's underage again...

Post by **Mit** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:40 pm

no, i agree, vd.. ive met many 12 - 16yr olds via online gaming that are as, or more, mature in their behaviour than ppl much older, and of course it mostly depends on the ppl themselves. But still i think if you look at it from my point of view, its a fair requirement to emphasise on the page. On one side, I'd like for everyone to be able to try out designing and making their own worlds (so they can, to quote myself, "share in the enjoyment and satisfaction i get from making games") and at the same time i want to ensure that the people who play the game are able to visit worlds run by people who have the maturity and patience required to deal with ppl in a civil manner. Im not gonna completely restrict access to world ownership to ppl under 16 (as ive said to dazjorz) but i think its a point worth stating on the page to highlight the complex nature of the system as a whole.

Or to put it another way.. if this was a 'normal' project backed by a large games company with the staff and time to do it, all the worlds would be set up and run by professional games designers who definitely would be over 18 ..

VDZ · Post by **VDZ** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:14 am

You can never get around that problem.
But if you choose to put the text 'You can't get a world unless you're 16" on it, you DO get less annoying world owners, but you also get less good world owners.
You just tell a group of people they can't host a world, which does not solve the problem, and only disappoints that group of people.

XmAkInA · Post by **XmAkInA** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:44 am

well - how about changing it to something like

"Owning a world is a complex and involving activity. Not only will you be running the world, having to keep it maintained and playable, but you should also realise you will be on the frontline, representing our community with our users. This will require you to be able to socialise and respect others. i.e Don't sit around yelling "STFU J00 L4M3R N00BS!" to every one.

There is also a very small support structure and this means you should be prepared to learn how to use the world editor and server programmes on your own."

VDZ · Post by **VDZ** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:26 am

"There is no guarantee you will actually get your world, or that it stays connected to the Galaxy.
We have the right to deny your world access to the Galaxy if we don't like you."

10dollars · Post by **10dollars** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:27 am

daz, if i were you, save your cash

nah go ahead, blow the money on some world, think its bollocks, ask for a refund, get a negative answer, make an attempt at trying to make it, spent 1 day on ure ass working on a world, put it up, see a good job done, have ppl visiting your island. Great way to start out after buying the world

Hey, uhm I'd give yer free hosting for yer world if you want.

10,
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Post by **Fooli** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:10 am

For goodness sake: it couldn't be much clearer.

"Please make sure you've understood everything on this page before clicking the button to make a donation through PayPal."

and

"IMPORTANT! At the moment, owning a world is only for people who are so keen to run a server they don't mind an occasionally buggy program, a frequent lack of support and no guarantees of anything at all. It helps if you have a basic knowledge of the principles of game design and server hosting. If all that sounds like you, then feel free to send a $42 donation mentioning that you would like to receive a world."

and

"Please be clear about this: you're not 'buying' anything at the moment. The Universal is still in development, so while we very much appreciate all contributions please remember that any money you send is just a donation, even if you're sending money to get a world or a star name."

and

"Our playerbase is currently small and we are not actively marketing the program yet, so theres no guarantee that players will visit your world and until we've got all the support tools and systems working, there's no guarantee that anything you get in return won't turn out to be completely useless or broken a lot of the time. When those tools and systems are in place we'll be officially selling worlds in the galaxy, with proper terms and conditions and guarantees to go along with your payment. If you're not feeling generous-spirited, wait until then :)"

If you can't deal with the issues clearly stated on the donate page, don't donate to get a world. If you can deal with them - and that means dealing with them according to the code of conduct that you agree to by downloading and installing any of this stuff - then welcome aboard. As Mit said, we'd love to be able to offer proper support and guarantees and everything, and maybe one day we'll all be able to quit our proper jobs and do just that. Until then, we're telling you very clearly that it's likely to be painful, and that's not only just the way it is, it's part and parcel of beta testing and getting involved in the devlelopment an independent project such as this one.

Oh, and it's 42 US Dollars, not Euros :)
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Post by **DeVice** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:57 pm

Fooli wrote: Oh, and it's 42 US Dollars, not Euros

Woah that's only 32,8125 Euros then. Good for us euro users

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:34 pm

10dollars wrote:daz, if i were you, save your cash nah go ahead, blow the money on some world, think its bollocks, ask for a refund, get a negative answer, make an attempt at trying to make it, spent 1 day on ure ass working on a world, put it up, see a good job done, have ppl visiting your island. Great way to start out after buying the world

Hey, uhm I'd give yer free hosting for yer world if you want.

well, all us world owners are here to help him with any trouble he has

so it wont be that hard for him.

plus, i hosted for him back in the 3.9x days, and will gladly continue hosting for him.
like i said back in 3.9x when mit requested all the free islands to be closed, i will freely continue hosting for anybody that i already hosted for when/if they get an island in the future.

VDZ · Post by **VDZ** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:40 pm

So, after all those quotes, I repeat the question; why does the website state that you have to be older than 16?

Post by **Mit** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:48 pm

It doesnt anymore.

10dollars · Post by **10dollars** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:50 pm

la la la. back on topic.

hedgehog · Post by **hedgehog** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:37 pm

actually the original poster brought up the topic of the 16 year old limit in reply to his own post about owning a world.

so technically we were right on topic until you mentioned we were off topic

this is your cue now to say you intended the above post to indicate that we were back on topic (which again is off topic and fairly invaluable anyway), and then say a bunch of stuff that's off topic.

anyway; returning to the topic at hand, i like the new donation page writeup. seems proper.

- buildings. triggers. topics.