Glaxy Reset Rumours...

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:18 pm

lazyredhead wrote:
zaroba wrote:
Mishka wrote: Yeah,you are not the only one, I've seen many other people trading lately and I think how unfair would be if one day they wake up, log in on TU and see all their hard work done in the last week flushed down the toilet.
thats why topics like this are here to inform people of a possible reset
most of the players dount come on here XD

Exactly.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:18 pm

there loss then

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:51 pm

zaroba wrote:there loss then

No, the game's loss then.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:58 pm

so, you'd rather see the galaxy never reset? and players constantly get richer and richer, then get bored, and quit? once you have the best ship and 5mill cr you have nothing to do and no way to spend that money. thats when people get bored and leave the game due to lack of any challenge. which isn't exactly good for the game either, why do you think theres so few now?

resets have ALWAYS brought players to the game, be it space or worlds. The last time space was reset a lot of old players returned because it would be a new challenge and experience, and they left again once they got all they could out of it. just like how any world that gets reset gets most of the active players since its a new experience, new things to do, etc.

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:00 pm

But it's what they have already done, and that's boring for most. To keep old players, you need more features, not a reset, although i agree it would help to some extent.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:07 pm

more features? lol. then they get those new features and get bored.
then what? more again? and more? and more?

theres a limit to how expensive stuff can get. hmm...the top 5 richest have between 2 and 13mil cr. what would you add that costs enough for only them to buy, yet isn't so much that they will see it as a waste due to spending all there money on?

yea, there could be a 2 or 3mil cr ship. but it would have to have some type of benefit to justify the price. that benefit would have to make things easier for them and then they just get bored again due to it being easier for them to get right back into the same situation yet again. then what? a 5mil cr ship? to have the same effect? then another more expensive ship after that?

if the ships don't make something easier, they players will see no point in upgrading. at the same time, this easier ship would also allow them to get further ahead of new players faster, and the farther back a new player is the less of a point they will even see in trying. after a while, a new player will come in and see players in 50mil cr ships with 150mil cr on them and think "whats the point of even trying, it'd take me forever to get up there" and then leave.

adding new stuff isn't exactly a long term solution.
no matter how many features you add, players will either obtain them and get bored, or not even try to get them due to there cost not being justified or due to there being too far out of reach.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:22 pm

so, you'd rather see the galaxy never reset? and players constantly get richer and richer, then get bored, and quit? once you have the best ship and 5mill cr you have nothing to do and no way to spend that money. thats when people get bored and leave the game due to lack of any challenge. which isn't exactly good for the game either, why do you think theres so few now?

Each player has the option to use the !resetme command. But why should a plyer that doesnt want to reset be forced to reset?

more features? lol. then they get those new features and get bored.
then what? more again? and more? and more?

theres a limit to how expensive stuff can get. hmm...the top 5 richest have between 2 and 13mil cr. what would you add that costs enough for only them to buy, yet isn't so much that they will see it as a waste due to spending all there money on?

yea, there could be a 2 or 3mil cr ship. but it would have to have some type of benefit to justify the price. that benefit would have to make things easier for them and then they just get bored again due to it being easier for them to get right back into the same situation yet again. then what? a 5mil cr ship? to have the same effect? then another more expensive ship after that?

if the ships don't make something easier, they players will see no point in upgrading. at the same time, this easier ship would also allow them to get further ahead of new players faster, and the farther back a new player is the less of a point they will even see in trying. after a while, a new player will come in and see players in 50mil cr ships with 150mil cr on them and think "whats the point of even trying, it'd take me forever to get up there" and then leave.

adding new stuff isn't exactly a long term solution.
no matter how many features you add, players will either obtain them and get bored, or not even try to get them due to there cost not being justified or due to there being too far out of reach.

Many MMORPGs have kept theiir players without needing to delete everything they have acomplished.

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:30 pm

Maybe so zar, but member's get bored of the same things, like you said.

Making everyone start from the beginning and having little new to experience won't keep them returning.

lazyredhead · Post by **lazyredhead** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:36 pm

Mishka wrote:
so, you'd rather see the galaxy never reset? and players constantly get richer and richer, then get bored, and quit? once you have the best ship and 5mill cr you have nothing to do and no way to spend that money. thats when people get bored and leave the game due to lack of any challenge. which isn't exactly good for the game either, why do you think theres so few now?
Each player has the option to use the !resetme command. But why should a plyer that doesnt want to reset be forced to reset?

more features? lol. then they get those new features and get bored.
then what? more again? and more? and more?

theres a limit to how expensive stuff can get. hmm...the top 5 richest have between 2 and 13mil cr. what would you add that costs enough for only them to buy, yet isn't so much that they will see it as a waste due to spending all there money on?

yea, there could be a 2 or 3mil cr ship. but it would have to have some type of benefit to justify the price. that benefit would have to make things easier for them and then they just get bored again due to it being easier for them to get right back into the same situation yet again. then what? a 5mil cr ship? to have the same effect? then another more expensive ship after that?

if the ships don't make something easier, they players will see no point in upgrading. at the same time, this easier ship would also allow them to get further ahead of new players faster, and the farther back a new player is the less of a point they will even see in trying. after a while, a new player will come in and see players in 50mil cr ships with 150mil cr on them and think "whats the point of even trying, it'd take me forever to get up there" and then leave.

adding new stuff isn't exactly a long term solution.
no matter how many features you add, players will either obtain them and get bored, or not even try to get them due to there cost not being justified or due to there being too far out of reach.
Many MMORPGs have kept theiir players without needing to delete everything they have acomplished.

many mmorpgs were made with alot of money and alot of progrmmers XD

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:52 pm

and they also have a much higher inflow of players to compensate for the players who leave.

Each player has the option to use the !resetme command. But why should a plyer that doesnt want to reset be forced to reset?

why should a player who wants to get a fresh start be forced to lower themselves to having a great disadvantage because of rich players who don't want to restart and would rather keep there high powered ship and money so they can continue blowing up people who have no chance against them?
thats assuming these rich players are even active and not people who only come by once a week for the sake of keeping the stuff they have no use for.

just like on worlds, players could get a reset. pretty much all players say they wouldn't do it because of the fact that others would still be ruling over them.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:01 pm

zaroba wrote:and they also have a much higher inflow of players to compensate for the players who leave.

Each player has the option to use the !resetme command. But why should a plyer that doesnt want to reset be forced to reset?
why should a player who wants to get a fresh equal start be forced to lower
themselves to having a great disadvantage because of rich players who don't want to restart and would rather keep there high powered ship and money so they can continue blowing up people who have no chance?

just like on worlds, players could get a reset. pretty much all players say they wouldn't do it because of the fact that others would still be ruling over them.

Worlds don't have much to do with space, and if a player uses the !resetme command it's his choice knowing the consecuences. So my answer to this question is:

why should a player who wants to get a fresh equal start be forced to lower themselves to having a great disadvantage because of rich players who don't want to restart and would rather keep there high powered ship and money so they can continue blowing up people who have no chance?

Because it's their choice.

many mmorpgs were made with alot of money and alot of progrmmers XD

Many MMORPGs don't have a donation system like this one has.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:15 pm

actually it really is no different from a world reset.
be it space or planet, there are still the poor new players and rich old players ruling over them.

why should a player who wants to get a fresh equal start be forced to lower themselves to having a great disadvantage because of rich players who don't want to restart and would rather keep there high powered ship and money so they can continue blowing up people who have no chance?
Is: Because it's their choice.

that is true, i can't argue against that. but it doesn't change the fact that most players don't voluntarily reset due to the fact that it will give the rich guys too much of an advantage over them. instead they just get bored and leave.
at least answer this...how many hours a week do you usually play?

facts are facts.
players are far more active when theres resets as they try to situate themselves and gain an early lead.
player counts go up when there are resets because its a new experience and more to do.
players always enjoy resets, although maybe against them, they always have enjoyed the fresh start and new challenge.

threw the whole history of the game this has been true, despite the fact that each time people have been against resets.

Mishka · Post by **Mishka** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:34 pm

I think we are both correct so I don't find any other reason to argue.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:35 pm

thats the joy of multi sided debates

Alfred · Post by **Alfred** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:24 pm

Some ways to prevent the need to reset are:

Ship deterioration:make ships deteriorate over time,hull damge would have to be paid for to
be restored.
Wealth Tax:once again stealling an idea from world play.Players with over a certain amount
cr pay a tax.

theseer · Post by **theseer** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:49 pm

That'd just slow the system down and make it harder for the lower ranks to reach the higher ranks, exacerbating the problem.

morbydvisns · Post by **morbydvisns** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:52 pm

i hope when faction stuff gets all set in that it'll happen that would be a good time to.

Zero_GT · Post by **Zero_GT** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:47 pm

Will a Galaxy reset also reset the faction kills etc.. Cause if it does I say reset the sucker now and lets start playing for something. Cause we are all just wasting limited time in space right now. I can already see myself in my old Cobra trading again.

morbydvisns · Post by **morbydvisns** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:07 pm

yes, everything will be restarted as if no one has been there before and has done nothing. No, were not wasting time because this is new and needs tested. Resets happen... it just takes a few days to a couple weeks (depending on time invested) to get back in your normal ship.

im quite excited over a reset... alot has been added since the last one, interested to seeing how this pans out...

Gavinbaisk · Post by **Gavinbaisk** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:15 pm

Interesting how zaroba seems to be contributing quite a bit to this discussion but it's mainly about space, which he also doesn't seem to have an active role within. Also interesting how you all are guessing that everyone saying that they don't want a reset will still return to the game.

Besides, all this new testing and seeing how it would work with a reset, we've got new players doing that same routine.

Also, new features your saying will bore them over time, maybe, but most players are actually bored when playing, what they do is use existing features to try and make something interesting happen. New features creates more fun, also in the long-run too.