Okay, I'm not sure if this is just Sabrada or the whole universe - I have only been on Sabrada but I'll say it here.
Permadeath. Why? Did you think it would make it more enjoyable? Ok so you die, but then to lose EVERYTHING?
I have died twice. The first time was because of a server crash when I was outside by home, and I couldn't log back in for ages. This should NEVER happen - a player should never die when it's not at least a little their fault. I came back and I had lost all my businesses and jobs, but not my money. Obviously I was angry. But I decided to keep playing. In the meantime my friend had stopped playing do to dying due to his health inexplicably dropping from full to 0 in almost no time at all.
So I bought another business, messaged the new owners of my old businesses asking them what price they might sell them back for, and went back to my house. I was runnign low on money by this point so by the time I had got back to my house and stocked it with what I could get (another bad thing: not being able to stock your house with your own produce) - and I realised I only had 22 hours till I had to go back on.
Just now I went back on - and I had 7 minutes to live in my house. My health was at 1 and my hunger and thirst were maximum. No-one was online apart from me. If I stayed in my house I wold die in 7 minutes. The pub was right next to my house - perhaps I could just run out and grab some food and drink then retreat.
I died as soon as I got out of my house. I was reset. I lost everything. Including my money this time.
This is supposed to be fun? I'm not playing this game again - sure it's a good game, but do you really expect people to appreciate losing everything when they die? They might die because they had a fight with someone, or because they forgot to stock their home, or because they didn't get to their house in time, or even because of a server crash. And as punishment for these things their entire game experience is ruined. I suggest at the most dying should involve you losing all cash you were carrying, any vehicles you might have had, and perhaps your jobs. The way it is now is no different from say, playing Vice City, getting really far, then dying and having to start again. Or any game, for that matter which involves dying.
So far I know 3 people, not including me, who have quit the game due to this terrible, hateful flaw.
Horatio
Permadeath ruins the whole game
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. Most of what you describe is configurable - ie, death effects - and is set up by the world owner. Some of the worlds online are designed by veteran players who enjoy that kinda thing... really tough survival settings. It's certainly not like that everywhere. Each world is different. Some have no hunger or thirst at all; some have extreme settings; most have some kinda compromise.
In general, if the server you're playing on crashes you won't lose anything: time stands still til it's back up again. More likely it was a connection problem, and the server was fine. That's unfortunate, but what a lot of people do is post a quick note on these forums and have their character frozen while whatever problem it is is sorted out.
I hope this doesn't put you off for good.. perhaps Jemrada (Sabrada's owner) can take note and tweak the gameplay accordingly. Personally I can't stand the whole hunger/thirst thing: but lots of people love that kind of micromanagement and the risk of dying while only yards from the tea shop. It's just another one of our uniquely configurably features and/or pet hates, depending on your perspective :)
It is, after all, only a game... don't be angry too long :)
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In general, if the server you're playing on crashes you won't lose anything: time stands still til it's back up again. More likely it was a connection problem, and the server was fine. That's unfortunate, but what a lot of people do is post a quick note on these forums and have their character frozen while whatever problem it is is sorted out.
I hope this doesn't put you off for good.. perhaps Jemrada (Sabrada's owner) can take note and tweak the gameplay accordingly. Personally I can't stand the whole hunger/thirst thing: but lots of people love that kind of micromanagement and the risk of dying while only yards from the tea shop. It's just another one of our uniquely configurably features and/or pet hates, depending on your perspective :)
It is, after all, only a game... don't be angry too long :)
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What happens when u die is up to the world owner.. on biplaneworld for instance, you just get respawned and start again, but retain all your posessions and money - its a setting thats specific to certain worlds.
Additionally, many worlds offer a number of 'lives' to allow for the occasional slip up and server bug before your character is properly killed.
Sabrada is a fairly new world and i think perhaps the life settings might be a bit harsh at the moment?
If the server actually crashes when you're outside, your health will be frozen until u next login so you wont die. The problem comes when the host's internet goes down but the server carries on running (as happened on sabrada recently unforunately.) Usually this is a pretty rare situation for most owners, and if it does happen, often the policy is to revert to a backup from before the downtime.The first time was because of a server crash when I was outside by home, and I couldn't log back in for ages."
Additionally, many worlds offer a number of 'lives' to allow for the occasional slip up and server bug before your character is properly killed.
Sabrada is a fairly new world and i think perhaps the life settings might be a bit harsh at the moment?
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the economy can be based around anything.. hunger & thirst is just one style of gameplay. Its not like you play 'Red Alert' or something and wonder how the game can possibly work without the need to feed your lil soldiers, right? .. :]
Zion had no hunger and the economy was based around the need to get cash through fuel and vehicle sales. (The vehicles could be lost if you were killed in a player-to-player fight so theres always a demand for more).
Then theres other non-economic gamestyles (like Iridis or battlezone) that have nothing to do with earning money cept thru fighting/action etc.
Zion had no hunger and the economy was based around the need to get cash through fuel and vehicle sales. (The vehicles could be lost if you were killed in a player-to-player fight so theres always a demand for more).
Then theres other non-economic gamestyles (like Iridis or battlezone) that have nothing to do with earning money cept thru fighting/action etc.
ouch, that sucks.
islands differ alot in rules and settings. no need to quit a whole game just because one server bugs you. thats why thiers many different servers. so you can find one you like.
did you have any explosives or chems in your house at all? your character will eat these and die.
the not being able to stock your own thing isen't bad at all.
how would anybody make money off selling anything when everybody could just make thier own stuff and stock thier houses? thats not much different from just starting players with enough food and drinks to last a life time and removing any food related buildings from the map. whats the use of having them if a player could build one of each and easily get all they wanted as if they were just one building? thier'd be little economy to the game.
as for the dieing while not your fault thing. i don't really think its possible to stop that. thier could be thousands of miles of internet and tons of dns servers between you and the server. one of them goes down and you could be blocked. thier isen't really a way for the server to tell the difference between somebody being blocked form a server due to dns trouble or if thier just blocked from it because they unplugged thier modem to get kicked.
anyway, have you tried to talk to jemrada about it? he might help get your stuff back. or atleast fully reset you so you'd stat with the full money and food. don't kleave the game just because one server went badly. thiers other servers to play.
islands differ alot in rules and settings. no need to quit a whole game just because one server bugs you. thats why thiers many different servers. so you can find one you like.
did you have any explosives or chems in your house at all? your character will eat these and die.
the not being able to stock your own thing isen't bad at all.
how would anybody make money off selling anything when everybody could just make thier own stuff and stock thier houses? thats not much different from just starting players with enough food and drinks to last a life time and removing any food related buildings from the map. whats the use of having them if a player could build one of each and easily get all they wanted as if they were just one building? thier'd be little economy to the game.
as for the dieing while not your fault thing. i don't really think its possible to stop that. thier could be thousands of miles of internet and tons of dns servers between you and the server. one of them goes down and you could be blocked. thier isen't really a way for the server to tell the difference between somebody being blocked form a server due to dns trouble or if thier just blocked from it because they unplugged thier modem to get kicked.
anyway, have you tried to talk to jemrada about it? he might help get your stuff back. or atleast fully reset you so you'd stat with the full money and food. don't kleave the game just because one server went badly. thiers other servers to play.
First, I am sorry and I thank you for your your comments.
All I can say is I am new at this myself. This is my first world I have ever run. I am still messing with the settings and trying to ge the island to a enjoyable state. With input like yours this will be possible. If more people would do as you did, these kind of issues can be overcome easily. Tell your friends I am sorry for there deaths and sorry they stopped playing as this is a great game to play. That is one reason I started host a world, because I enjoyed it so much and had ideas I wanted to try out.
The main reason for the death setup is to keep people from not worring about dieing. If you don't lose anything there is nothing to fight for. I am not sure why you died so quick as alot people are not having this trouble. Only a select few. With your help we can target the issue. I will be happy to reset your charecter for you, if you like. I hope you continue to play as I am sure you will learn how it is played and enjoy it alot more also.
It seems this has been fixed, me and some other world owners have looked at the settings and changed a few things and we think we have corrected this terrible problem of just dieing for now real reson.
I have also reset your account. If you see me in the game I will be more then happy to help you out in a couble things.
All I can say is I am new at this myself. This is my first world I have ever run. I am still messing with the settings and trying to ge the island to a enjoyable state. With input like yours this will be possible. If more people would do as you did, these kind of issues can be overcome easily. Tell your friends I am sorry for there deaths and sorry they stopped playing as this is a great game to play. That is one reason I started host a world, because I enjoyed it so much and had ideas I wanted to try out.
The main reason for the death setup is to keep people from not worring about dieing. If you don't lose anything there is nothing to fight for. I am not sure why you died so quick as alot people are not having this trouble. Only a select few. With your help we can target the issue. I will be happy to reset your charecter for you, if you like. I hope you continue to play as I am sure you will learn how it is played and enjoy it alot more also.
It seems this has been fixed, me and some other world owners have looked at the settings and changed a few things and we think we have corrected this terrible problem of just dieing for now real reson.
I have also reset your account. If you see me in the game I will be more then happy to help you out in a couble things.