Cheater.

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:41 pm

look i'm getting tired of this damn cheater someone take care of this dipshit 001|3-7-2004|03:43:16| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
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001|3-7-2004|03:43:24| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:25| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:25| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:26| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:27| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:27| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:29| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:43:30| r2d2 gave ZeroZool 100s 001|3-7-2004|03:38:58| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:38:59| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:00| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:01| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
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001|3-7-2004|03:39:02| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:03| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:03| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:03| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:04| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:08| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 109s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:12| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 24s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:16| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 39s1d
001|3-7-2004|03:39:29| Ultamate gave ZeroZool 26s47d

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 10:48 pm

another same guy.... 001|3-7-2004|03:49:44| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:46| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:47| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:49| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:50| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:50| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:51| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:51| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:52| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:52| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:52| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:53| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:53| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:54| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:54| austin gave DaZjorz 100s hey ban this ip 202.180.89.214
001|3-7-2004|03:49:56| austin gave DaZjorz 100s
001|3-7-2004|03:49:56| austin gave DaZjorz 100s

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:51 pm

hmmm, i was suspicious about zerozool being limked to ultamate because they and his other multi's all built in the same town, but there ip's arn't the same

matthew i cant perminatly ban these guys, the phony banip can be got around with changeable ip and banid doesnt work! its just phony boring!!!!!!!!

atm im takeing all possesions away from the cheaters and all there cash, which leaves them with nothing, but encourages them to create more multi's! theres technically no way to beat the cheaters, except gettin my knights to kick them everytime they set eyes on them!

hedgehog · Post by **hedgehog** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:27 pm

in the maintenence release due out soon there'll be a way to disable startcash (as you guys both know afaik), so you could flip that on and that's some of the problem solved, though they can still do the invest routine. still with a few different selling styles (including the old 03 one), that should make it harder for these guys to keep doing stuff like this.

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:04 pm

this shoulden't even be an issue next verison anyway since the security stuff will be working again and no longer messed up due to the different version fo the game running.

after all:
same comp = no trade + linked money
same ip + different comp = no trade between characters

guess the 2nd thing above is also something messed up like the banid command is due to the worlds running different verisons etc that mit had mentioned in the other topic.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:59 pm

i just thought of a simple way to get around doing that.... quite easy actually

characters cant interact right? so the guy makes a shop or summin stache's his cash in the invest like hedgie said.... does .suicide (thats right command right?) or the new one *resetgalaticcharacter or w/e it is

and bam... his multi comes in buysup the jehovah place wam bam thank you mam a nice lil bonus

hedgehog · Post by **hedgehog** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:14 pm

galactic reset shouldn't reset your player on a planet, just the spaceport's record of how much you've exchanged into credits and your galactic inventory.

planning against .suicide and .explodeme are prolly up to the island owner to protect against by balancing out starting cash, jehova sale prices, etc so as to make it undesireable for a player to bother. but yeh, if multi chars are possible there's always a way to cheat for the most part.

frankly if you just ditched the invest concept and took it directly out of player cash it seems like that'd tidy things up nicely. the only time i can think of where a player can cheat, it's always because of give cash or invest. if the player can't store money with another player or in another building, then (s)he has no actual way of saving it for later.

or something like that.

Nigel · Post by **Nigel** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:21 pm

The bigger this game comes, I guarentee you will see many other ways of people chating the system, while it might seem like a small problem now, being only a small game, imagine if it had 1000 players all competing to be number one, and how many of those would do ANYTHING to get there?

Meh

Mattizme · Post by **Mattizme** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:28 pm

We know there's problems with Give Cash, and if we want to use it then that's the risk we take, I guess. we COULD introduce a Give Cash tax which would deter but not stop the cheating. Plus, with the business bank account, instead of usin invest make it al come outta there. If they haven't got a bank account, then well, bummer.

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:53 pm

er, give cash tax.... no that won't stop cheaters think about it....

it will just hurt the real players by taxing them, the cheaters will just recieve a slightly less amount of money

Post by **Mit** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:22 pm

remember give cash can be turned off server-side in 0.1, if the owner wants to improve the security of the economy game. Galaxy-wise, everything i've learnt over the course of building the islands for the last 3 years has been or will be included to ensure that the galactic economic system is as secure as possible. Most importantly, in the galaxy all transactions happen between the player and the game systems, not between players, so cheats based on creating multiple characters are not applicable.

If any worlds are easily open to abuse and cheating, (or even if the owner is jus not bothered to check through the logs for suspicious transactions), then the amount of galactic currency you can gain there will be minimal.. so even cheating on worlds wouldnt actually be much use in the long-run.

No system can be perfect, of course, but these changes should mean its much easier to contain, and less worthwhile for the cheater, if it does happen.