cheating?

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:04 pm

ok this is the weirdest thing i have ever seen, someone try to explain this:

ok i type showsameid on zerferic and it says

ID - -1
Nicks:Kaezon, stef, RuFF_RiDa, Dano, BoyWonder, Coco, Casey, safsaf, mean, ... more

then i do a showsameip on enigma and it says

IP - 202.180.107.151
Nicks:Skeletor, Enigma,

so i do a showsameid on enigma and it comes up with

ID - -1
Nicks:Kaezon, stef, RuFF_RiDa, Dano, BoyWonder, Coco, Casey, safsaf, mean, ... more

first i thought this must be a bug so i did a *showsameid on me and it said

ID - 16778518
Nicks:Tom,

and again on matthew

ID - 631432
Nicks:matthew,

this is extremly strange? i was told there was some cheating goin on but this seems to big to be a cheat, is it a bug? notice the differance on the id's like

ID - 16778518
Nicks:Tom,
and
ID - -1
Nicks:Kaezon, stef, RuFF_RiDa, Dano, BoyWonder, Coco, Casey, safsaf, mean, ... more

anyone care to voice there opinions, includeing the potencial cheaters?

Spider · Post by **Spider** » Tue Mar 02, 2004 10:42 pm

I'm only guessing, but it looks like multichars to me...

I think *showsameid just shows all the names that have been used in the past (for example I can change my name to chanb if I wanted to), whereas *showsameip tells you about the default name of the client you are using.

So, a player has two clients, one called Skeletor, and one called Enigma, and the Enigma client has used many different nicknames instead of sticking to just one like most poeple do...

Its suspicious that the Enigma and Zeferic clients, while apparently on different computers, have used the same nicknames...

But then again it could be a bug...

Maybe if you put on multichar warning and then wait around for Enigma/Skeletor to enter you can work out whats going on...

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:24 pm

cheat? nah, its probably the ID bug from long ago.
for some reason, the game can't get the unique id's from some computers, so they get pooled into id 1. it seems that they don't become linked and won't pop up the multi warning so they can still play normally.

if they were linekd then:
1. boywonder would have complained about his lack of ability to make money (i've seen him on often times)
2. all the knights would see the multi warnings. since turning off multi warnings in the settings only turns off the "you have multiple characters bleh bleh bleh" that the player sees when logging in. it doesen't turn off the "security warning, bleh bleh has the same id as bleh bleh" shown to knights etc

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 1:17 pm

005|3-4-2004|01:10:40| Record 250 Name : pies (IP 202.180.107.165).......005|3-4-2004|01:19:02| Record 208 Name : Ultamate (IP 202.180.107.165)....looks kinda like to pc's to me same ip....not the same bill.....i might be wrong

.......3-4-2004 1:17 pies bought 3 Vehicle 3 from building ultamate vehicles (owned by id208) for 588s
3-4-2004 1:17 pies bought 4 Vehicle 2 from building ultamate vehicles (owned by id208) for 588s

zaroba · Post by **zaroba** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:43 pm

now that one is something i'd look at as being possible cheating.
multiple computers on a network easily means different ids in the same ip.
but even with the same ip, one shoulden't have been able to buy from the other. might have used one on a 56k modem at one point to just make a new character and get him money.

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:51 am

and again. 005|3-4-2004|21:47:28| Record 214 Name : Kymotsu (IP 209.151.101.27) 005|3-4-2004|21:53:15| Record 259 Name : bjesquivel (IP 209.151.101.27)

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:00 am

.....ppl stop cheating plz...005|3-4-2004|21:58:47| Record 157 Name : Moppeux (IP 67.68.127.84)..........005|3-4-2004|22:38:17| Record 150 Name : Silvery (IP 67.68.127.84) not much going oh with these two but there 2 accounts buying and selling stuff for 1s and giving a lil cash

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:06 am

found another. 2 account same ip 005|3-4-2004|15:12:25| Record 200 Name : Jigga (IP 198.53.45.137) 005|3-4-2004|21:00:33| Record 249 Name : lowryde (IP 198.53.45.137)........sry for spam

Post by **Mit** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:44 pm

The ID security system may be a lil borked when using a combination of old and new clients and servers as we're currently doin. This should all resolve itself once everyone is using new versions. (Which won't be long now..)

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:15 pm

matthew wrote:.....ppl stop cheating plz...005|3-4-2004|21:58:47| Record 157 Name : Moppeux (IP 67.68.127.84)..........005|3-4-2004|22:38:17| Record 150 Name : Silvery (IP 67.68.127.84) not much going oh with these two but there 2 accounts buying and selling stuff for 1s and giving a lil cash

and again. 005|3-4-2004|21:47:28| Record 214 Name : Kymotsu (IP 209.151.101.27) 005|3-4-2004|21:53:15| Record 259 Name : bjesquivel (IP 209.151.101.27)

these two arn't same ip's and hmm, well anyway thanks matt for checking up anyway, and u will be rewarded for the last one jigga who has many multi's

IP - 198.53.45.137
Nicks:dancw, dan, low_ryde, Jigga, iller, lowryde,

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:35 am

check these tom. they got zars homes for sale and sold them to each other for 1s 005|3-6-2004|00:45:27| Record 279 Name : jimbobbb (IP 68.104.153.184)
005|3-6-2004|00:42:02| Record 266 Name : jimbobb (IP 68.104.153.184)
005|3-6-2004|00:50:40| Record 281 Name : vipewipe (IP 68.104.153.184)
005|3-6-2004|01:31:01| Record 285 Name : izzykizzy (IP 68.104.153.184)
005|3-4-2004|19:26:33| Record 256 Name : jimbob (IP 68.104.153.184)

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:32 pm

heh

IP - 68.104.153.184
Nicks:jimbob, jimbobb, jimbobbb, vipewipe, wipevipe, izzykizzy,

weldone matthew

for everyone reading this, i would like to politely remind you that :

A) cheating is breaking the rules
i) u can cheat by making a multi and giving away your money
ii) give your money to a player just before gettin a reset
iii) many more i can't remember or be bothered to state! .... basically if it seems like there is a system implace against it, then its against the rules
B) cheating can and will result in the automatic banning from any of my islands
C) nobody likes cheaters, remember if u want to be good at the game, keep trying and learn from your mistakes but DO NOT cheat.
D) if you have a problem or are unsure about things type *showgods on an island and if there is a knight/god on the island ask them for help!
E) if there isn't a knight/god on the island, then ask another player, we do have quite a friendly community here.... although sometimes it doesn't bare thinking about

thanks for reading this and please try to keep it in mind.

Nigel · Post by **Nigel** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:45 pm

cheating?? can't good ol' mit create an anti-cheating-monkey system that throws feecees at anyone who dares attempt it?

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:33 pm

urgh mit! i cant ban players from my island who have a changeable IP since banid doesnt work and banip only works for that ip!

currently im just kicking players who are cheats.

oh and i killed all of jimbob's players about 4 hours ago and guess what now....

IP - 68.104.153.184
Nicks:jimbobb, jimbobbb, izzykizzy,

yes thats right like 4 hours after i killed all his players he has already made 3 more!!!!!

Nigel · Post by **Nigel** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:52 pm

hmm, maybe a-tractor has a hole in it, just like window's security flaws

Silvery · Post by **Silvery** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:26 pm

matthew wrote:.....ppl stop cheating plz...005|3-4-2004|21:58:47| Record 157 Name : Moppeux (IP 67.68.127.84)..........005|3-4-2004|22:38:17| Record 150 Name : Silvery (IP 67.68.127.84) not much going oh with these two but there 2 accounts buying and selling stuff for 1s and giving a lil cash

Alright, i registered for this....

We're not multies, we're brothers. We're not giving each other money or anything, we simply trade with each other at better prices

We're also often on at the same time, you can check the logs for that. Also, we both have our own buildings and stuff.

We play on two separate computers, with are in a 2-comp network(linky router).

matthew · Post by **matthew** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:18 am

i was looking for 2 account ppl and cheaters i'm sorry your name got in there

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:55 pm

silvery, apologies if your not axtually a cheater, but the problem you must understand is that anyone can say "oh i play with my borther, yeah we trade together!" but how do we know if thats the truth, we can't tell so we have to just think its cheating, you could do what spider does with his brother, play seperate island on the same account, so u would play eville ur bro plays imperial the other gets zoric and u get empire or summin? it stops these cheat taunts being wildly thrown about.

anyway, thanks for posting your point of view, its been duely noted.